http://onedudesms.wordpress.com/2006/10/10/dna-and-the-book-of-mormon/ These are the personal studies of one guy on his spiritual journey through Mormonism. Many articles, books and podcasts reviewed and reflected upon. Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:42:08 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 http://onedudesms.wordpress.com/2006/10/10/dna-and-the-book-of-mormon/#comment-619 Doug Forbes Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:43:27 +0000 http://onedudesms.wordpress.com/2006/10/10/dna-and-the-book-of-mormon/#comment-619 I have never heard Southerton or any of his supporters say one word about Q-P36, a lineage common to Jews and Native Americans. Nor do the mention an acknowledged problem for mainstream scientists; the apparent youth of the Native American Y-chromosome Q-M3. Back in 1996, Peter Underhil calculated that the most recent common ancestor of most NA lived 2147 years prior or 151 BC. Underhill reject went on to develop an 'effective' mutation rate much slower than observed rates but the problem persists. Just last year, a study by Pakendorf et al, used a rate obtained from work by Kayser of 2.8 per 1000 that is 4 times faster than the 'effective' rate of 0.7 per 1000. Pakendorf states, "“… it has recently been proposed that ‘effective’ mutation rates (Zhivotovsky et al. 2004), which are not based on pedigree studies but on archaeologically calibrated migrations, may reflect the true historical processes better than pedigree rates. Using the average ‘effective’ rate of 6.9 [per 1000] calculated by Zhivotovsky et al. (2004) results in a much greater age of the Yakut male expansion of approximately 3800 years … However, these older dates are inconsistent with linguistic and archaeological evidence: … the split of Yakut from Common Turkic cannot be earlier than 1,500 years BP." So, the observed mutation rate works in Siberia. If applied to American Indian DNA it suggests a common ancestor who lived during Book od Mormon times. I have never heard Southerton or any of his supporters say one word about Q-P36, a lineage common to Jews and Native Americans. Nor do the mention an acknowledged problem for mainstream scientists; the apparent youth of the Native American Y-chromosome Q-M3. Back in 1996, Peter Underhil calculated that the most recent common ancestor of most NA lived 2147 years prior or 151 BC. Underhill reject went on to develop an ‘effective’ mutation rate much slower than observed rates but the problem persists. Just last year, a study by Pakendorf et al, used a rate obtained from work by Kayser of 2.8 per 1000 that is 4 times faster than the ‘effective’ rate of 0.7 per 1000. Pakendorf states, ““… it has recently been proposed that ‘effective’ mutation rates (Zhivotovsky et al. 2004), which are not based on pedigree studies but on archaeologically calibrated migrations, may reflect the true historical processes better than pedigree rates. Using the average ‘effective’ rate of 6.9 [per 1000] calculated by Zhivotovsky et al. (2004) results in a much greater age of the Yakut male expansion of approximately 3800 years … However, these older dates are inconsistent with linguistic and archaeological evidence: … the split of Yakut from Common Turkic cannot be earlier than 1,500 years BP.” So, the observed mutation rate works in Siberia. If applied to American Indian DNA it suggests a common ancestor who lived during Book od Mormon times.

]]> http://onedudesms.wordpress.com/2006/10/10/dna-and-the-book-of-mormon/#comment-41 Steve M. Tue, 21 Nov 2006 06:47:34 +0000 http://onedudesms.wordpress.com/2006/10/10/dna-and-the-book-of-mormon/#comment-41 You don't realize how weird some claims seem until you hear them discussed by non-believers. Then it's like, "Wow, that is kind of weird, now that you mention it." You don’t realize how weird some claims seem until you hear them discussed by non-believers. Then it’s like, “Wow, that is kind of weird, now that you mention it.”

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